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		<title>Agile Web Dev with Rails vs Ruby for Rails</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 06:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I gave a talk tonight to Bootstrap Austin&#8217;s web SIG on Second Life.  I brought the ad agency where I work into Second Life and am advising clients on the best way to use it.  It was a small, but interested group of folks&#8230;less than ten.  With one exception, we were all [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I gave a talk tonight to <a href="http://www.bootstrapaustin.org/">Bootstrap Austin&#8217;s</a> web SIG on <a href="http://joelandkaren.com/learningrails/www.secondlife.com">Second Life</a>.  I brought the <a href="http://www.gsdm.com">ad agency</a> where I work <a href="http://slurl.com/secondlife/Idea%20City/114/125/36/?x=335&#038;y=300&#038;img=http%3A//blog.ideacity.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/12/ideacity1.jpg&#038;title=Idea%20City&#038;msg=Idea%20City%2C%20home%20of%20GSD%26M%20in%20Second%20Life.%20%20Provides%20sustainable%20results%20for%20brands%20that%20have%20a%20genuine%20purpose.">into </a>Second Life and am advising clients on the best way to use it.  It was a small, but interested group of folks&#8230;less than ten.  With one exception, we were all programmers or former programmers.</p>
<p>After we exhausted talking about Second Life, the talk turned to Ruby.  I was astounded by the fact that everyone was either working in Ruby, learning Ruby, or, with the exception of the one non-programmer, involved in discussing whether or not to use Ruby.  All were talking about using Rails for web development.</p>
<p>A consensus emerged.  Professional programmers,  those who program for a living, love <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html?ie=UTF8&#038;location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2FAgile-Development-Rails-Dave-Thomas%2Fdp%2F0977616630%2Fsr%3D8-1%2Fqid%3D1169789944%3Fie%3DUTF8%26s%3Dbooks&#038;tag=friendstalkin-20&#038;linkCode=ur2&#038;camp=1789&#038;creative=9325">Agile Development with Rails.</a> Those that are learning, but who haven&#8217;t programmed professionally for a few years (almost a decade for me), get more out of <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html?ie=UTF8&#038;location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2FRuby-Rails-Techniques-Developers%2Fdp%2F1932394699%2Fsr%3D1-1%2Fqid%3D1169790014%3Fie%3DUTF8%26s%3Dbooks&#038;tag=friendstalkin-20&#038;linkCode=ur2&#038;camp=1789&#038;creative=9325">Ruby for Rails.</a><img width="1" height="1" border="0" style="border: medium none  ! important; margin: 0px ! important" src="http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=friendstalkin-20&#038;l=ur2&#038;o=1" /> An small, but interesting, observation.</p>
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		<title>Ruby for Rails by David A. Black</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2007 05:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[After a number of months hiatus, I&#8217;m back to learning Ruby, again because I have ideas I want to sketch out in code.  If I&#8217;m going to be learning a new language anyway, then Ruby seems to give me the most bang for the buck and seems to be easy to wrap my head [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After a number of months hiatus, I&#8217;m back to learning Ruby, again because I have ideas I want to sketch out in code.  If I&#8217;m going to be learning a new language anyway, then Ruby seems to give me the most bang for the buck and seems to be easy to wrap my head around.  My experience with object oriented coding has been with Lingo, Director&#8217;s language (back in the multimedia days), Java, and a Forth-like language called Magic/L back in the pre-cambrian period of programming.  What&#8217;s really nice about Ruby is once I understood things like iterators, I saw how compact and English-like the language really could be.  Odd, seeing as the language was invented by a Japaneese speaker whose second language is English.</p>
<p>I was talking about my frustrations about learning Ruby and Rails to my friend, <a href="http://opposablemind.typepad.com/">David Sedlow</a>, using the <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html?ie=UTF8&#038;location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2FAgile-Development-Rails-Dave-Thomas%2Fdp%2F0977616630%2Fsr%3D8-1%2Fqid%3D1169789944%3Fie%3DUTF8%26s%3Dbooks&#038;tag=friendstalkin-20&#038;linkCode=ur2&#038;camp=1789&#038;creative=9325">Agile Development with Rails </a><img width="1" height="1" border="0" style="border: medium none  ! important; margin: 0px ! important" src="http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=friendstalkin-20&#038;l=ur2&#038;o=1" /> book.  We both come from a we-used-to-be-programmers but-haven&#8217;t-done-it-professionally-in-years background. (To me, the book needs to be user tested because it makes some assumptions that you already know Rails&#8230;inadvertently, or not.)  David suggested <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html?ie=UTF8&#038;location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2FRuby-Rails-Techniques-Developers%2Fdp%2F1932394699%2Fsr%3D1-1%2Fqid%3D1169790014%3Fie%3DUTF8%26s%3Dbooks&#038;tag=friendstalkin-20&#038;linkCode=ur2&#038;camp=1789&#038;creative=9325">Ruby for Rails</a><img width="1" height="1" border="0" style="border: medium none  ! important; margin: 0px ! important" src="http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=friendstalkin-20&#038;l=ur2&#038;o=1" /> by David A. Black.  I have found <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html?ie=UTF8&#038;location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2FRuby-Rails-Techniques-Developers%2Fdp%2F1932394699%2Fsr%3D1-1%2Fqid%3D1169790014%3Fie%3DUTF8%26s%3Dbooks&#038;tag=friendstalkin-20&#038;linkCode=ur2&#038;camp=1789&#038;creative=9325">Ruby for Rails</a><img width="1" height="1" border="0" style="border: medium none  ! important; margin: 0px ! important" src="http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=friendstalkin-20&#038;l=ur2&#038;o=1" /> easy to understand.  It explains things in a logical sequence and explains them thoroughly.  It&#8217;s also a nice mix between Ruby and Rails, making the reasonable assumption that you need to understand Ruby if you want to understand Rails.<img align="left" src="http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/1932394699.01._AA240_SCLZZZZZZZ_V37019386_.jpg" />This book is enough to get started with Rails development.  I believe between this and the <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html?ie=UTF8&#038;location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2FProgramming-Ruby-Pragmatic-Programmers-Second%2Fdp%2F0974514055%2Fsr%3D1-1%2Fqid%3D1169790287%3Fie%3DUTF8%26s%3Dbooks&#038;tag=friendstalkin-20&#038;linkCode=ur2&#038;camp=1789&#038;creative=9325">The Pickaxe Book</a><img width="1" height="1" border="0" style="border: medium none  ! important; margin: 0px ! important" src="http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=friendstalkin-20&#038;l=ur2&#038;o=1" />, I have what I need to get going with Ruby and Rails.  I may not even need to the Pick Axe book, it&#8217;s that good at providing a basic understanding of Ruby.</p>
<p>Indeed, last night I hacked out a little screen scraper that prints out the items viewed from a youtube.com page.  Not much, but with many ad agencies and brands putting their commercials on YouTube, I believe it could be a simple, useful tool.  Give it a list of YouTube url&#8217;s to track and it returns a  simple list of desired videos with the number of times they&#8217;ve been viewed.  This tracking guide would be useful to folks in the marketing world.</p>
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